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From the NY Times blog, Economix. According to this blog post, women find that their jobs contribute to society more than men do. Another interesting graph in this post shows the "gender gap" according to job satisfaction. What economic reasons, if any, could there be to explain why men are paid more than women? What graph, that's not included, would you like to add to this article if you could?
Quincy Golson
2/22/2012 06:37:39 am
The article said more women find their jobs "extremely stressful" and may contribute to men making more money on the stand point we may not break under pressure. I would also like to see the graph of the stress levels of men and women compared to pay scale. Though my reasoning my not be as economic as pschological, i do believe it has an impact on work consistancy; why buy a machine that could break when you can pay a little more for dependability.
R10430292
2/22/2012 01:47:30 pm
I think you have a very interesting point, however I don't see any evidence that says more stress leads to less productivity. Perhaps women are more stressed because they put more emotion into their jobs. This doesn't mean they are any less capable of achieving tasks, maybe it means that they just care more on a personal level about what or who they are working with. I know from personal experience that I stress way more than a lot of my peers, especially males. But, in many cases I end up doing a much better job on projects or tests just because I care more about not disappointing others or myself, not that I am more capable. In the end I would think it may actually be more beneficial to have someone who cares more on a personal or emotional level to work for you.
R10462776
3/4/2012 03:14:58 pm
I'd like to point out that you said women put more "emotion into their jobs." Since they care more, could this lead to them thinking that their job makes a difference?
R10361779
3/5/2012 01:17:47 pm
I agree with your statement and I can relate to when you said you end up doing better on a test or project when you stress more. From what I have seen some if not most people do succeed more or make a higher grade on a test or project when they stress because that means they want to get everything as perfect as they can. If you stress then that more than likely means you're putting much more time and effort into something than the person who is not stressing.
R10462716
3/6/2012 08:51:38 am
I’d also like to point out the fact of women putting more emotion into their jobs. Women in my eyes do care more about stuff but it doesn’t mean they do a better job at certain things. Each gender has a different role in life males take on the more hard working jobs and women seem to take the more social jobs. I could say both are equally stressing but men don’t really show it.
R10374650
3/6/2012 02:12:27 pm
While I do agree on most of your points we can not assume that what is true for you is true for all women (fallacy of composition).
R10425881
3/6/2012 04:26:24 pm
How exactly do women put more emotions into their jobs? I understand that women tend to have more absences and breaks than men because of giving birth to kids and other reasons but i don't understand how women should earn less even if they are 'emotional' in the work place
R10405137
2/23/2012 06:38:59 pm
Seems I didn't follow the directions. Q. G.
matt huebert
2/25/2012 08:51:16 am
I think that this raises an interesting point, there are plenty of reasons to pay men more in the work place that are not performance related, or at least not on a day to day. Obviously men are not smarter or in any way more capable than women, but they also cannot get pregnant, be debilitated by cramps, or be considered as distracting to other male co workers. None of which are the fault of the individual but may affect the overall view of a person.
R10421613
3/5/2012 01:23:39 pm
There are many fallacies with the above statement. I have never once heard of a woman not showing up to work or being "debilitated" because of cramps, nor have I experienced it. I have worked in plenty of jobs where I, a female, show up to work more than all of my male coworkers. For the last statement, wouldn't that then therefore mean that men should also be paid less because they distract woman coworkers? Men receive higher pay, because of the centuries of a patriarchal society, which will in turn take centuries to reverse. Think things logically through before posting it on the internet.
R10457422
3/6/2012 12:32:17 pm
I definitely have to disagree with this comment. Although you may think that this may be a leading reason as to why men generally get paid more than women or may even have experienced this. But as long as I have been working, never have I once called in sick to work because of cramps. And with women getting pregnant, its just the same as someone having an injury and can't go to work. But what happens? They come back.
10432816
3/7/2012 12:14:53 am
I actually agree with this because people who make more money are more stressful because it requires more work. So I agree that it is more physcological than economics.
R10480114
2/23/2012 05:20:24 am
The gap in salaries earned might in part be due to the idea Quincy had about dependability. That because women are highly emotional creatures by nature and that most view their current jobs as "extremely stressful". When these two are combined in a workplace one might fear mental instability, thus reducing productivity due to the fact that women become absorbed in their emotions and this affects multiple aspects of their lives. Men on the other hand are more dependable from a mental stand point, their emotions are less transparent. This was just a general point I was trying to make, but economically I don't believe the disparity between salaries based on gender is equitable for women. The gap in salaries I'm sure stems from previous generation's views of the social role of women and their status in comparison to men, they were viewed as lesser beings in a sense. Though we've made great progress in women's rights and equality for the most part in the workplace some things from the past still linger on today.
R10412296
2/29/2012 06:39:54 am
I agree with your view of women having more emotions in their nature, but as the article says, women are still more often the primary caregivers to their families. This might also be effecting the stress level of these women because they have to deal with jobs and taking care of the family. On the topic of why men might make more money than women, though, I completely agree with your views.
R10435313
2/23/2012 12:58:06 pm
Interestingly, with higher salaries the satisfaction of men rises by a higher proportion relative to women. The statistics given in the article should be an incentive to find out what exactly causes the differences. Obviously men and women are best-suited for different jobs, so the statistic isnt based on equivalent data. A meaningful statistic should be based on men and women who work in the same field. The fact that women are more likely to drop out of their job to take care of their children (not even talking about the period of pregnancy) makes them less reliable for long-term plans. This is surely of economic importance and one reason to pay a lower salary, even if it really feels unfair.
R#10427556
2/24/2012 09:45:00 am
I agree that the statistics should be done for the same jobs for men and women. It’s also clear that men value salaries more than woman, maybe it’s because men just like money more or maybe it’s the duty of males to provide security and income to the family.
R10375157
2/28/2012 01:50:44 pm
I agree with you. The data gathered in the article should compare men and women who work in the same field. They should gather information on their stress level, commute time, and pay and then compare the data. Men might be more emotionally stable, but have less responsibility in the home. It really depends on the life situation of the subject.
Wesley Quigley
2/28/2012 04:26:20 pm
I agree with your statement concerning that men and women are best suited for different jobs. It has been that way from the beginning of human history. It is hard to say that on average women should be making as much as men, being that they usually get completely different jobs.
r10409494
3/1/2012 01:49:56 am
I agree with the fact that men and women are suited for different jobs in the economy. It is also a very good point that the statistics should be based on genders working in the same field to make this data more realistic. Of course men are going to be happier with their jobs if they are making more money than most other people, including women. Lastly, i would like to say that they made a good point about women quiting their jobs to take care of the children so they are less reliable at some times. 3/6/2012 04:26:30 am
I agree with your statement that this particular study should have been completed for men and women in the same work field. Men almost always have the duty of providing income for the family, however, in some cases it is visa versa. Either way, which ever parent has the duty of providing for the family will probably value their salary more than the other.
R10390341
3/1/2012 09:06:34 am
I also agree that men are suited to be better workers because they value their job responsibilities higher than most women. Since women are usually the caregivers of the family, a lot of times they make sure family comes first in most situations. While on the other hand, men believe they are the provider of the family and put their job ahead of their family in many cases.
10444048
3/5/2012 01:00:05 pm
I have to respectfully disagree. That is very old fashion discrimination and I believe women and men are truly equal when they apply themselves the same. You say men are "suited to be better workers because they value their job responsibilities higher than more women". I hope you reread that statement, it is a prejudice that is completely outdated. Women can do anything in the world that they want to!
R01957330
3/6/2012 01:12:36 pm
I disagree, I would say neither gender values their work responsibilities more then the other. Women are increasingly abandoning their caregiver title and getting jobs and contributing to the family and society.
R10394446
3/5/2012 04:28:53 am
I think that even if we all agreed that wages arn't fair, society has been holding the roles of men and women as far back as the bible. So change would naturally be slow and if you consider how much of the progress that has been recently made, then I think we have done pretty good. Not saying we're done, we obviously still have work to do. If women think that their jobs are more important than that's great, in my eyes, if all else is equal, then equal pay should be given.
R10492644
3/5/2012 12:51:51 pm
I think that women putting more emotion in to their job is a great thing. I feel like if you really enjoy the job and it makes you happy enough to put great work into it then there should be no pay gay between men and women. But this argument has been going on for a long time like others have previously said. I don't think it will ever change no matter how many graphs you make!! I do agree that some women put more effort into a family than a job but what about those women who are single and don't have families? Why can't they get paid more? They are more dependable because they won't have to leave early because of a sick kid or leave work early because of a soccer game or to get dinner on the table!
R10371553
3/6/2012 07:06:20 am
But then could you not consider that discriminating against women who do have families... Its a never ending argument as you said before. I dont think that is a possibility.
R10358580
3/6/2012 07:51:06 am
I believe this article relates to the basic stereotypes of society. Men are the breadwinners and women feel less pressure to provide for their families. Men feel inadequate when they are not the number one provider for their family, therefore society presents them with more of an income, and a man might be forced into a job he dislikes just for that income.
R10413028
3/6/2012 09:00:05 am
In my opinion there is not any economic reason why men are paid more than women. I personally think that it is just a norm in our society that will hopefully change one day. I also think that all of the graphs in this article are accurate. Women’s jobs make the world a better place because women choose their professions for different reasons than men do. More often than not, a man is solely focused on how much money a career could have while women focus on doing what they love while considering how it could impact other people and/or make a difference. The other two graphs are also just representative of the concept that men generally make more money than women: the graph about job satisfaction just illustrates that men aren’t happy unless they make a lot of money, and the graph about job flexibility just goes to show that a higher paying job allows for more flexibility in the workplace.
R10326603
3/6/2012 09:56:14 am
Couldn't have said it better myself. As for an economic standpoint maybe companies get away with paying male employees more than females solely because the man is "supposed" to be making all of the money in the household. A female in the same position could get paid less just because of her gender maybe it's like they almost don't think she needs the same amount because her family isn't depending on it. Females should fight to get paid equally. Women see their jobs as making the world a better place because that's probably what interested them in the first place by the way it makes them feel. I think men aren't as concerned with how the work makes them feel as long as they like the number they see on the paycheck. That's probably why women except less money because they'd rather be happy with what they're doing.
R10300090
3/6/2012 09:23:21 am
I think they should also show a graph of how many women have jobs that make the primary income in the family, as opposing to the men making the primary income.
R14061966
3/6/2012 10:31:23 am
I agree with this comment. It seems as though one hears the term "man of the house" other than "woman of the house". If the man is the primary caretaker in the family, he will be more inclined to work more hours and put in effort to increase security in his work to continue to provide for the family. I believe that the graph would show more men being the primary caretakers of the household as apposed to women. Like stated before in previous comments, it's a common norm to know that men generally receive a higher salary than women on average, but a part of that reason could be the fact that normally a man is in charge back at home. Therefore he should be held responsible for a majority of the income brought in, as well as the stress and responsibilities that may come with being the leader of the household.
R10432564
3/6/2012 10:36:56 am
I have to respectfully disagree with this point. As times are moving on, women are starting to hold a bigger place in the family than back then. I'd like to see a statistic about the amount of women that run their households as opposed to 40 years ago. Being a "stay at home dad" is becoming more and more common as years pass by. I feel that women are taking more responsibilities about financially supporting families than ever. As one can find out by some research, women now outnumber men in college, this shows that women do not want to simply be "stay at home moms" but they want to pursue education and careers to be able to support future families. Women do not simply rely on men to run the "family". This norm is slowly changing.
R1047422
3/6/2012 12:21:15 pm
If men and women had the exact same job with the exact same experence and time within that job, then yes, they absolutly should be paid the same amount. But women are most likely to choose a job that they find more interesting or better helps the community rather than the numbers written on their pay checks. As to I think men are a little different. Having the money may mean more than having the perfect job. In my opinion I see men as doing "whatever it takes" to make money. But this is just my opinion.
R10457422
3/6/2012 12:22:04 pm
That was suppose to be 10457422...I forgot the 5.
R10441603
3/6/2012 12:42:29 pm
I believe that the reason that men are paid more than women is due to the type of work that men do. For example yes there are women doctors and lawyers which both jobs pay extremely well, but take the oil field as another example. You don't hear much about women working out in the oil field like men do, and this job pays extremely well also. With the women saying that their job is more stressful I would like to add that graph to this article. The stress level depends on the type of job they have.
R10320590
3/6/2012 05:08:12 pm
I believe that this article reveals a good point that women are more satisfied with less pay but women have slowly started taking on the same jobs as men and in the future I predict the opinions to be fairly similar because right now, men expect to get paid more because they are usually the provider for the family. Times are changing and women are starting to make similar pay and in the future, women could make the same as men and then males might not have to expect to make all the money in the family.
R10363073
3/6/2012 09:33:11 pm
This "survey", I don't believe is particularly accurate. Although I do believe that the results of it may be true, I think there was a better way to find this out. There is no fixed variable in this experiment and therefore, they could have interviewed individuals that work for companies that more women (or men) work for. They could be completely different fields.
10432816
3/7/2012 12:21:16 am
It suprise me that women had less flexiable schedual, but does lead to the question is that one of the main reasons that they get paid less? Comments are closed.
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